We have some soil that has to get a fine destination, so of course there
should come a place where we can play petanque.

Can anyone tell me what is the best way to make such a court? The soil is
very wet here and consists mainly of fat clay (Nieuwegein, the Netherlands).


Thanks in advance,

Jan Willem Boer

I am trying to get the book Pétanque by Marco Foyot, but after several month of trying it seems rather impossible to find.
Could anyone help me, please...

Having tried both a Forum and an email group in the Brighton & Hove club, the email group was much more popular and I have to say, I personally prefer it to Forums, probably mainly because it's much more active receiving messages and most of the time you can work off-line.

Maybe there needs to be a clearer idea of what's the real advantage of having a forum?

Regards,

Ray Ager

what sort of boules should I buy ?

Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

About two years ago, I had a grassed area in my back garden, and came to the
same
conclusion. By coincidence, It is in the process of being modified just now.

I dug out an area of almost international size, and about four inches (10cm)
deep. In
that area, I added a mixture of fine granite gravel and granite dust. I
suspect that any
stone would do. I then rolled it to a hard surface.

The main problems are ants - who love the piste; weeds, who also love it;
and the
stone itself which, after two years, populates most of the surface. We are
now working
to rake off much of the surfaced gravel in hopes of providing a smoother,
packed
surface on which to play.

If I had it to do over, I might lay stone first, pack it, then add a layer
of stone dust on
the surface. Occasional rolling would always do it some good, I think.

Cheers...Gary

Main principles: ensure the terrain is well drained and doesn't become
water-logged. With clay you may need to dig deeper and have a sub-base of
larger stones to provide
drainage. Ensure the terrain has a well compacted, firm base, otherwise
loose stones will find their way to the surface. Top surface should be
somewhat uneven with a fine gravel
finish.

Common mistakes to avoid: terrain too flat, poorly compacted, large stones
rather than gravel on top, too much gravel on top.

There's a little bit more on the Brighton and Hove web site
www.pavilion.co.uk/petanque - follow Playing and Terrains menu.

Jan , You need th add sand and gravel to help the clay drain otherwise when
you walk on it when wet it sticks. Here in northern Calif. we have Adobe
which can be used as a building material but don't walk on it when wet.
Drain pipe below court is a nice option if building from scratch. Or
remember the motto of the old Sonoma Petanque club Anytime:Anywhere Later
Bruce



At 11:00, Thu 02.12.1999, Jan Willem Boer () wrote:

We have some soil that has to get a fine destination, so of course there
should come a place where we can play petanque.

Can anyone tell me what is the best way to make such a court? The soil is
very wet here and consists mainly of fat clay (Nieuwegein, the
Netherlands).


Thanks in advance,

Jan Willem Boer

Good point!
Forums and e-mail generally serve two different needs, as a forum hadles both the interaction/communication between two parties as well as communicates to a much larger audience than e-mail. A forum is also generally speaking a place where people are a bit more accurat and do not go into personal details about issues that are not in the discussion.

But mail has one great advantage - you do not have to check a a website every now and then to get updated - the information comes straight to you.

To get the best of both worlds we are planning to implement a mail-feature in this forum, that is players may sign up to get all postings as an e-mail.

If any of you like this idea, please tell us! We do not enjoy making cool things that turn out to be less-than-cool!

yours,
Stig Bordsenius
petanque.org


ray ager wrote:Having tried both a Forum and an email group in the Brighton & Hove club, the email group was much more popular and I have to say, I personally prefer it to Forums, probably mainly because it's much more active receiving messages and most of the time you can work off-line.

Maybe there needs to be a clearer idea of what's the real advantage of having a forum?

Regards,

Ray Ager

Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.
A 'carreau' is the perfect shot where the shooter's boule takes the place of the target boule.

Being able to carreau is a combination of technique, practise, type of terrain (easier on a soft terrain) and the type of boule - a 'soft', low-rebound boule giving the shooter a better chance of a carreau.

Best way to practise is put 3 boules in a line with a gap between each boule and practise lobbing onto the middle boule.

Check out the Marco Foyot 'Ma methode' video for stunning examples of carreaux.

The most important thing in Carreau is the lob. To practise this the best mentode is to get an old car tire without the rim. Place this to start about 5 to 6 meters and try and get your boules in the middle. If you miss they will bounce away.Carreau's are done without power so your lobs should be thrown light and without force. Practise this about 15 to 20 minutes. Never to long you lose your consintration. After the practise remove the tire and put a boule in its place. You'll see wonders happen. Remember start first at short distance and work your way up. Many teams have lost important games in the short distance so master the short distance first and the long distance will come naturally. This practise with the tire is also excellent for the Pointer to practice his donnee. I also like to place two balls together with about four finger distance or the size of one ball in between. You shoot the back ball out the front ball is your teams ball. When you get good at it place the back ball closer to the front ball. This is fun ! Good luck let me hear how it worksout.

jean lambert wrote:
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Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

jean lambert wrote:
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Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

hi
a good practise is to shoot on grass
or any other bumpy court

My definition of a carreau would be; a boule scoring a direct hit upon an oponents boule and remaining in the position that the oponents boule previously occupied.

jean lambert wrote:
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Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

Ray Ager wrote:
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Main principles: ensure the terrain is well drained and doesn't become
water-logged. With clay you may need to dig deeper and have a sub-base of
larger stones to provide
drainage. Ensure the terrain has a well compacted, firm base, otherwise
loose stones will find their way to the surface. Top surface should be
somewhat uneven with a fine gravel
finish.

Common mistakes to avoid: terrain too flat, poorly compacted, large stones
rather than gravel on top, too much gravel on top.

There's a little bit more on the Brighton and Hove web site
www.pavilion.co.uk/petanque - follow Playing and Terrains menu.

Ray,

Could you take another look at the pavillion website. I can't seem to bring it up. Perhaps, there is a .com somewhere; or something else.

Thank you,

Hank Pearson

Raoul Lewicki wrote:
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The most important thing in Carreau is the lob. To practise this the best mentode is to get an old car tire without the rim. Place this to start about 5 to 6 meters and try and get your boules in the middle. If you miss they will bounce away.Carreau's are done without power so your lobs should be thrown light and without force. Practise this about 15 to 20 minutes. Never to long you lose your consintration. After the practise remove the tire and put a boule in its place. You'll see wonders happen. Remember start first at short distance and work your way up. Many teams have lost important games in the short distance so master the short distance first and the long distance will come naturally. This practise with the tire is also excellent for the Pointer to practice his donnee. I also like to place two balls together with about four finger distance or the size of one ball in between. You shoot the back ball out the front ball is your teams ball. When you get good at it place the back ball closer to the front ball. This is fun ! Good luck let me hear how it worksout.

jean lambert wrote:
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Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

WE are two Semiproffessional BoulePlayers from Germany and are very interessted in improving our technics!!! We'd appreciate to get more detailed infos about tactics and trainingtips! Please e-mail us asap or build an online-coaching-corner!!! We want to increase our stats to become as big as Marco!
Keep on bouling!

A careeau is the perfect shot where the shooter's boule takes the place of the target boule.

Have a look at the 'video' section.

If you look on the left hand side of your screen, you will see «gameplay» and other good subjects to explore.

HTH,
Guy

jean lambert wrote:
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Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

There's a little bit more on the Brighton and Hove web site
www.pavilion.co.uk/petanque - follow Playing and Terrains menu.

Ray,

Could you take another look at the pavillion website. I can't seem to bring it up. Perhaps, there is a .com somewhere; or something else.

Thank you,

Hank Pearson

Dear Hank,

Pavilion has only got one L.

BTW I've just resurfaced the small terrain I built in my back garden with Redgra - happy to provide info, if required.

Marko we just qauilifed for the German Championships in Eggenstein am 2-3 June for Bayern we busted three teams by playing six meters try it with the tire like I said and then practice shooting from a distance of five meters with your lob off the ball. When you get good go to six meters then seven etc. you will see the improvement very quickly. About your request I will have to talk with the Petanque.org Thank you for your interest.

Marko Fouloh wrote:
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Raoul Lewicki wrote:
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The most important thing in Carreau is the lob. To practise this the best mentode is to get an old car tire without the rim. Place this to start about 5 to 6 meters and try and get your boules in the middle. If you miss they will bounce away.Carreau's are done without power so your lobs should be thrown light and without force. Practise this about 15 to 20 minutes. Never to long you lose your consintration. After the practise remove the tire and put a boule in its place. You'll see wonders happen. Remember start first at short distance and work your way up. Many teams have lost important games in the short distance so master the short distance first and the long distance will come naturally. This practise with the tire is also excellent for the Pointer to practice his donnee. I also like to place two balls together with about four finger distance or the size of one ball in between. You shoot the back ball out the front ball is your teams ball. When you get good at it place the back ball closer to the front ball. This is fun ! Good luck let me hear how it worksout.

jean lambert wrote:
------------------------------------
Would you describe a 'carreau' shot please.

For beginners in small clubs with no coaches, an on-line coaching section would be much appreciated.

WE are two Semiproffessional BoulePlayers from Germany and are very interessted in improving our technics!!! We'd appreciate to get more detailed infos about tactics and trainingtips! Please e-mail us asap or build an online-coaching-corner!!! We want to increase our stats to become as big as Marco!
Keep on bouling!

I made exactly the same mistake when trying to bring up the site and spent ages working out what was wrong. There must be something about the word pavilion.


Ray Ager wrote:
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There's a little bit more on the Brighton and Hove web site
www.pavilion.co.uk/petanque - follow Playing and Terrains menu.

Ray,

Could you take another look at the pavillion website. I can't seem to bring it up. Perhaps, there is a .com somewhere; or something else.

Thank you,

Hank Pearson

Dear Hank,

Pavilion has only got one L.

BTW I've just resurfaced the small terrain I built in my back garden with Redgra - happy to provide info, if required.

Is it posible that any of you oculd make a drawing of how the lop and the impact on the boule should look like.
thanks

David Lashley wrote:
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I made exactly the same mistake when trying to bring up the site and spent ages working out what was wrong. There must be something about the word pavilion.

I have been considering registering a domain name for the Brighton & Hove club - any suggestions?

Free cochonnet to the winner if we choose one!

I have been playing this great game for not quite two years. I read about and started practicing careaux shooting with tires just lately. I now shoot boules with a lob that nobody matches. Most shoot straight at the boule with almost no lob. One time this week shooting from about 8 meters, my boule went about three meters high before making contact with the opponents boule. I thought for sure I lost that boule. No, I hit the opponents boule au fer! No careaux but close.
Should you also give a spin with the wrist to your boule before the delivery? When I do, I overshoot the target boule.
Any other explanation/drawing would be nice.
TIA,
Guy

I've changed my shooting style over the years, having first shot by rolling along the ground, then learning to directly hit the boule, then using more of a high lob, particularly to be able to hit back boules.

However, I have noticed that my shots would often hit but skim over the target boule ( Faire une Casquette ) due to using a too high, I think lob. So now I am trying not to lob *too* high, i.e. revert to more of a direct lob.

If you watch the great shooters, they don't lob the boule that high.

Backspin? Personally I am not good enough to shoot accurately AND be able to put backspin on the boule. If you watch Marco Foyot in his Ma Méthode coaching video, he shows shots where he shoots a boule probably about 50cm to 1m behind the coche but with enough backspin so that the boule comes back onto the coche - Impressive!

This is crying out, either for some animation, or video footage of shooting (and all aspects of the game)...

I Marco Foyot's video available in Canada and if so, where?
TIA, Guy.

Ray Ager wrote:
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SNIP...If you watch Marco Foyot in his Ma Méthode coaching video...SNIP

You should use back spin when you shoot. The wrist movement that gives the back spin will also enable extra power and steering to your boule, all in one. I also had difficulties with this during my first years playing, but now I doubt I could shoot accurately WITHOUT back spin. Actually I think training on high lob pointing helped me a great deal with this - had to use the wrist to get that extra thrust upwards.

Back spin should not be overdone, though. It's a matter of placing the boule correctly in your hand - not yanking your hand back as hard as you can.

Ray Ager wrote:
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I've changed my shooting style over the years, having first shot by rolling along the ground, then learning to directly hit the boule, then using more of a high lob, particularly to be able to hit back boules.

However, I have noticed that my shots would often hit but skim over the target boule ( Faire une Casquette ) due to using a too high, I think lob. So now I am trying not to lob *too* high, i.e. revert to more of a direct lob.

If you watch the great shooters, they don't lob the boule that high.

Backspin? Personally I am not good enough to shoot accurately AND be able to put backspin on the boule. If you watch Marco Foyot in his Ma Méthode coaching video, he shows shots where he shoots a boule probably about 50cm to 1m behind the coche but with enough backspin so that the boule comes back onto the coche - Impressive!

This is crying out, either for some animation, or video footage of shooting (and all aspects of the game)...

Guy Therrien wrote:
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I Marco Foyot's video available in Canada and if so, where?

What video format is Canada on? A Lot of Gaul www.gaul.co.uk can supply the video in VHS/PAL format.

Regards,

Ray