On a marked terrain, boule A is marked. Boule B hits boule A, crosses the dead-boule line, hits the solid barrier, returns on the playing area and hits once again boule A that was either stopped or still moving. What is the verdict in both cases? Put back boule A in its original marked place or where it has finally stopped … which could be off limit?

And what if on the same play, a boule from another terrain were to hit boule A (poor boule) ?

Guy

What i undertstand is that if boule B has gone out then come back into play then it is considered out. but in this case it has also hit boule A by what i understand of the rules of petanque then boule A is still in if it didnt reach the dead boule line and is left wherever boule B has hit it. The reason for this is that the boule is still in flight and has not been marked.

Boule B is taken out of the game due to the fact that it has passes the dead boule line. The rulin for this is quite bizzare for this and it has happened to me several times. I hope that this has claried you question on the matter.

guy therrien wrote:
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On a marked terrain, boule A is marked. Boule B hits boule A, crosses the dead-boule line, hits the solid barrier, returns on the playing area and hits once again boule A that was either stopped or still moving. What is the verdict in both cases? Put back boule A in its original marked place or where it has finally stopped … which could be off limit?

And what if on the same play, a boule from another terrain were to hit boule A (poor boule) ?

Guy

This is also what I thought when asked about it...unfortunately, when it happened, the umpire's decision was to put back the boule hit (boule A) where it had been marked.

Now, about a year later, when another umpire was asked the same question, his answer was the same as the first umpire!!!

I certainly would like to have Mike Pegg's opinion on that matter.

Guy

Mathieu Boudan wrote:
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What i undertstand is that if boule B has gone out then come back into play then it is considered out. but in this case it has also hit boule A by what i understand of the rules of petanque then boule A is still in if it didnt reach the dead boule line and is left wherever boule B has hit it. The reason for this is that the boule is still in flight and has not been marked.

Boule B is taken out of the game due to the fact that it has passes the dead boule line. The rulin for this is quite bizzare for this and it has happened to me several times. I hope that this has claried you question on the matter.

Yeah that is true but say that the boule is still moving when the boule is hit again for the second time the boule that was hit twice have to stay where it is due to it not being marked. This question all comes down to the fact that, was the boule marked while in play or was it a boule that was played? meanin that the boule wouldnt have been marked untill it final finished its movement.

yes i would also like to know what mike pegg says about this but its not clear cut answer in the matter it all comes down to the situation thats why sometimes the rules books cant always give you the perfect explanation you have to take parts of other rules to accomadate the situation.

guy therrien wrote:
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This is also what I thought when asked about it...unfortunately, when it happened, the umpire's decision was to put back the boule hit (boule A) where it had been marked.

Now, about a year later, when another umpire was asked the same question, his answer was the same as the first umpire!!!

I certainly would like to have Mike Pegg's opinion on that matter.

Guy

Mathieu Boudan wrote:
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What i undertstand is that if boule B has gone out then come back into play then it is considered out. but in this case it has also hit boule A by what i understand of the rules of petanque then boule A is still in if it didnt reach the dead boule line and is left wherever boule B has hit it. The reason for this is that the boule is still in flight and has not been marked.

Boule B is taken out of the game due to the fact that it has passes the dead boule line. The rulin for this is quite bizzare for this and it has happened to me several times. I hope that this has claried you question on the matter.

A variation of this anecdote happened last evening in a boulodrome.

The marked jack was shot (rolling play). The boule travelling faster than the jack went out the terrain, hit the border and came back into the playing area to hit the jack once more before it went out the terrain.

As you can see, this happens quite often!

Guy

Yes i undertstand what you are on about coz this is a problem but what i am lead to believe in your position. What i think is that the target was hit so that means that it has moved from it original spot so what that means is once the jack has finish its movement then the jack will be re-
marked. This a complex issue but im going on what happens with bocce, even though the game is different there are some similar features that we can use for our sport.

What happens in Bocce is that every boule is marked, the shooter must nominate his boule that he wants to hit. the boule that which he throws must land in certain sector around the boule that he nominated for it to be a legal shot. if he doesnt the game is distrubted coz of this every boule that was moved must be placed back in its position that it was in before the shot was made.

guy therrien wrote:
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A variation of this anecdote happened last evening in a boulodrome.

The marked jack was shot (rolling play). The boule travelling faster than the jack went out the terrain, hit the border and came back into the playing area to hit the jack once more before it went out the terrain.

As you can see, this happens quite often!

Guy

I think that what you will find is that the reason that boule B has been able to 'rebound' back into play is that there is not sufficient clearance round the outside of the roped off boundary therefore the piste has not been prepared properly.

however i would agree that had boule B hit boule A then boule A would then have to remain wherever it stopped after the 2nd collision

Mathieu Boudan wrote:
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Yes i undertstand what you are on about coz this is a problem but what i am lead to believe in your position. What i think is that the target was hit so that means that it has moved from it original spot so what that means is once the jack has finish its movement then the jack will be re-
marked. This a complex issue but im going on what happens with bocce, even though the game is different there are some similar features that we can use for our sport.

What happens in Bocce is that every boule is marked, the shooter must nominate his boule that he wants to hit. the boule that which he throws must land in certain sector around the boule that he nominated for it to be a legal shot. if he doesnt the game is distrubted coz of this every boule that was moved must be placed back in its position that it was in before the shot was made.

guy therrien wrote:
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A variation of this anecdote happened last evening in a boulodrome.

The marked jack was shot (rolling play). The boule travelling faster than the jack went out the terrain, hit the border and came back into the playing area to hit the jack once more before it went out the terrain.

As you can see, this happens quite often!

Guy