During a recent match on very fast surface, I told the opponent captain that
the point was theirs with only a visual evaluation.

I didn`t measure, this sort of surface only needs a bit of hot air on the
ball to make it roll and in measuring old age causes the ball to be touched
with the
tape.

I believed that the opponent had the point and went about to play my last
three balls and then the opponent captain played her two balls. As the end
finished we measured the balls and the opponents point was 1 1/2 inches
further then my ball.

Should I insist on the point or because I have given it earlier respect my
previous decision. I feel it is stupid to give up a point which is not true
but then
again I should have measured. Also the opponent should have measured because
by knowing it was too far, she might have attempted to push it with
the other two balls.

I know the international decision, I asked mike, but for social reasons, for
peace of mind should I feel guilty to insist on the point. Remember, a
captain
speaks for his team and worst then giving the point to the opponent the
other players on the team are also saying, why did you make me waste my
balls.

?? Up for discussion , what do you do or think you would
do?

Hi,

This isn't really Petanque question, but I'll ask anyway...

Does anyone know where I could get rules for the other boule game, Jeu Provencal? Preferably on the internet?

-Antti

Can someone tell me where I can find the rules to organize a shouting tirer competition ?
I looked all over the web but without any result.

i m from singapore

Can anyone pls guide me any training on high

lob.

how high for my boule must be for about 8 m?

I think the best solution is just not to concede a point without measuring.
8') The intersection of formality and congeniality can cause such dilemmas.I
guess one simply has to make the differentiation, and live with the
consequences.

But...since you did state the conditions as being fragile , that leaves
open the possibility that the boule moved sometime during play. A
measurement
would be the determining factor AT THE TIME, so why shouldn't a visual
estimate be the same?

Cheers...Gary


: During a recent match on very fast surface, I told the opponent captain
that the point was theirs with only a visual evaluation.

: I didn`t measure, this sort of surface only needs a bit of hot air on the
ball to make it roll and in measuring old age causes the ball to be touched
with
the tape.

: I believed that the opponent had the point and went about to play my last
three balls and then the opponent captain played her two balls. As the end
finished we measured the balls and the opponents point was 1 1/2 inches
further then my ball.

: Should I insist on the point or because I have given it earlier respect my
previous decision. I feel it is stupid to give up a point which is not true
but then
again I should have measured. Also the opponent should have measured because
by knowing it was too far, she might have attempted to push it with
the other two balls.

: I know the international decision, I asked mike, but for social reasons,
for peace of mind should I feel guilty to insist on the point. Remember, a
captain
speaks for his team and worst then giving the point to the opponent the
other players on the team are also saying, why did you make me waste my
balls.

: ?? Up for discussion , what do you do or think you would
do?

To me the key to your dilemma is to ask Why was a measure being made?
If you are playing socially and have conceded why would you call for a
measure?
In a serious contest all know that the measure after all boules are played
is paramount
and in any other game if a measure is requested and agreed to then it
follows that both
parties must bide by that measure. So agree the circumstances before you
measure and
then there can be no guilt.

The way I see your difficulty is that you have a right to take the point that you eventually measured. All good Petanque players will know that the Boule should be measured, we all make mistakes in our judgements, but the opposition have no right to a point if the measure says differently to your judgement. You may possibly get a black look from the opposition, but that's all you can expect.

John Quebec wrote:
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During a recent match on very fast surface, I told the opponent captain that
the point was theirs with only a visual evaluation.

I didn`t measure, this sort of surface only needs a bit of hot air on the
ball to make it roll and in measuring old age causes the ball to be touched
with the
tape.

I believed that the opponent had the point and went about to play my last
three balls and then the opponent captain played her two balls. As the end
finished we measured the balls and the opponents point was 1 1/2 inches
further then my ball.

Should I insist on the point or because I have given it earlier respect my
previous decision. I feel it is stupid to give up a point which is not true
but then
again I should have measured. Also the opponent should have measured because
by knowing it was too far, she might have attempted to push it with
the other two balls.

I know the international decision, I asked mike, but for social reasons, for
peace of mind should I feel guilty to insist on the point. Remember, a
captain
speaks for his team and worst then giving the point to the opponent the
other players on the team are also saying, why did you make me waste my
balls.

?? Up for discussion , what do you do or think you would
do?

If you search for Jeu Provencal you'll find various sites, mainly in French. There is a brief summary of the differences between Petanque and la Jeu Provencal, in the petanque.org news archive.

Jukka had previously posted stuff about this to the eGroup. Until there really is an “official” set of rules, it’s quite easy to devise your own: e.g., target boule at 6, 8, 10m, 1m diameter circle, boule must land inside the circle (no rolling shots), 5, 10, 15 points for a hit at each distance (target boule must leave circle), double for a carreau (shooter’s boule must stay in circle).

You can also devise: 3 boules in a row, shooting a back or middle boules, 3 boules in a triangle, etc.

Any rules for a Pointing contest?

P.S. Shouldn't this be in the General forum?

Hello Jef!

I think I saw the rules for the shooting competition at a homepage from Belgium (Sport Petanque). I think you can find it if you go to a homepage from Belgium and choose links!

Jef van den Berg wrote:Can someone tell me where I can find the rules to organize a shouting tirer competition ?
I looked all over the web but without any result.

I have scanned the latest version of shooting rules and those three pages are located at:

A HREF= http://www.petanque.fi/shoot1.gif http://www.petanque.fi/shoot1.gif /A
A HREF= http://www.petanque.fi/shoot2.gif http://www.petanque.fi/shoot2.gif /A
A HREF= http://www.petanque.fi/shoot3.gif http://www.petanque.fi/shoot3.gif /A

Jef van den Berg wrote:Can someone tell me where I can find the rules to organize a shouting tirer competition ?
I looked all over the web but without any result.

Like most things in petanque, the answer is - it depends!

While you could perhaps give some average height to throw a boule (6m ?), IMHO, it's better to consider various factors then practise and experiment and see what works best, e.g.
- If the terrain is soft and/or wet, i.e. the boule will tend not to roll much, then a higher lob will be better
- If the terrain is hard/stony, you need to be more careful as the risk of getting a deflection is greater - no point in lobbing it high, only for it to land on a stone and go flying off.
- Are you standing or squatting?
- there's always going to be a limit as to how high you can physically throw a boule but this must be coupled with how *accurately* you can throw it - no good throwing it 30m in the air and stopping dead if it doesn't land anywhere near the coche :-)
- Why are you using a high lob? is it to avoid blocking boules? If so, the height will to some extend be determined by the distance of the boules from the circle and the coche.
- If you're using a high-lob because of the nature of the terrain, then again, it's a question of choosing the right landing spot and lobbing accordingly.

In summary, it's not really possible to give a definite height that you *should* lob the boule. It is a question of practise, experience and dependant on various factors, as above.

John Quebec wrote:
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SNIP... I know the international decision, I asked mike...

What was Mike's decision?

TIA,
Guy

Thanks, I already tried to search, but my french is nonexistent :)

What part I was interested was:

1) the pointer takes a step from the ring, right? And shooter takes three steps, so does he/she start from the ring? Or does he/she have to land the 3rd step inside ring?

2) The rolling shot is not permitted. What if the shooter's boule hits the ground too early to be accepted (more than 1m) but still hits the other boules? Are they moved back to where they were? Or what is done?

-antti

Ray Ager wrote:
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If you search for Jeu Provencal you'll find various sites, mainly in French. There is a brief summary of the differences between Petanque and la Jeu Provencal, in the petanque.org news archive.

Seems that this forum doesn't allow HTML. Here are the url's again:

http://www.petanque.fi/shoot1.gif
http://www.petanque.fi/shoot2.gif
http://www.petanque.fi/shoot3.gif

1) the pointer takes a step from the ring, right? And shooter takes three steps, so does he/she start from the ring? Or does he/she have to land the 3rd step inside ring?

The pointer starts with both feet in the circle but then takes one step forward. They can either play from this position or bring the foot still in the circle to the other foot but have to balance on one foot - if brought forward, the other foot must not touch the ground.

For shooting, you start in the circle then take 3 running steps out of the circle. You shoot on the 3rd running stop - if you shoot on the 4th step the shot is invalid. Players do continue running - you're not expected to suddenly stop dead having taken 3 running steps - but you must throw on the 3rd step.

2) The rolling shot is not permitted. What if the shooter's boule hits the ground too early to be accepted (more than 1m) but still hits the other boules? Are they moved back to where they were? Or what is done?

The shooter's boule is void any any displaced boules have to be put back in place. However, the 'advantage rule' can be played and the shot accepted.

Both of these - particularly shooting - combined with the longer distance make le Jeu Provencal a much harder game to play and is the reason why petanque is so much more popular both throughout France and the world.

Just out of interest: where are you and are you thinking of playing? Does anybody play outside of France?

I live in Finland, and yes, I think I'll try the game sometime.

-antti

Just out of interest: where are you and are you thinking of playing? Does anybody play outside of France?

Antti Peltola wrote:
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I live in Finland, and yes, I think I'll try the game sometime.

-antti

Just out of interest: where are you and are you thinking of playing? Does anybody play outside of France?

Yes, we do but outside, we normally wear small hats and pointed shoes, though so that the japanese tourists don't recognise us. beetles have been responsible for this sort of behaviour before and should be studied at length, preferrably at phD level, before commencing a shot

another rule that makes o sort of peculiar, but brutal sense, is the need to prevent rottweilers from snatching small, but unsuspecting spectators, i trust you will agree