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Posted by: Jeff Widen (
) at 2007-09-20 17:21:00
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Let's not get carried away before we even see if there's any penalty at all.
Looking at Article 22 (see below), the only part that may apply is "Players must not pick up the played boules before the completion of the end."
What defines the completion of an end? Must all boules be played, and by "played" does that me thrown? There are many times when a team does not want to ruin a layout of boules by pointing/shooting in their last boule, so they simply drop it to the side. But is it really necessary to have to go through all of that? I've also merely stated to other players that I'm not going to risk it and just take the points that are there.
In the scenario which Joe describes, Team-B has NO points, and Team-A has 2 points (perhaps 3). Why should Team-B benefit whatsoever simply for an unplayed boule which could have been simply dropped to the side by Team-A.
Let's look at the different outcomes:
1. Team-A throws it's last boule and scores ANOTHER point.
2. Team-A throws it's last boule and hits away one of it's own points.
3. Team-A throws it's last boule and somehow gives the point(s) to Team-B.
4. Team-A throws it's last boule without any result.
Not knowing the exact layout of the boules, Team-A would probably not play their boule if Option 2 or 3 could result - taking away 2-3 points.
So eliminating Option's 2 & 3, we're left with Team-A either adding to their existing points, or just keeping the points they've unquestionably had.
Why penalize them all of their points for what should be treated as an Option-4 boule. Either they would have tossed their boule to the side for no additional points, or rolled it purposefully short so as not to ruin the layout.
But there can be no sense of "fair-play" and sportsmanship in voiding out their boules simply because they chose (either purposefully or by accident) not to play their remaining boule.
As such, an adversarial team which now claims Article-22 applies, is really just being petty. I'd refuse to ever play against them again - if they pressed such nonsense.
I believe Article 22 was written for cases where not all of the boules from both teams were played, and where picking up boules before boules from both teams are yet to be played is obviously something which can alter the potential points for that round.
Think about it this way: it is like a person in line at Burger King who decides to take half the money in his wallet and just tear it up into pieces. This diminishes the amount of food he can now buy, but it really has no real influence on the guy standing behind him in the line. Yet, somehow folks interpret it to mean that the guy also has to give some of the non-torn money to the fellow behind him...
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FPUSA Article 22 — Playing Wrong Boules
A player who plays a boule other than his own receives a warning.
The boule played is nevertheless valid but it must immediately be replaced, after measuring, if necessary.
In the event of it occurring again during the game, the player’s boule is disqualified and everything it has moved is put back in place.
Players must not pick up the played boules before the completion of the end.
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boules picked up before completion of end Joe Martin 2007-09-20 12:34:07
boules picked up before completion of end Ray Ager 2007-09-20 16:58:29
boules picked up before completion of end Jeff Widen 2007-09-20 17:21:00
boules picked up before completion of end Gary Jones 2007-09-21 08:05:56
boules picked up before completion of end Guy Therrien 2007-09-21 09:52:05
and what about the 60 second rule? Jeff Widen 2007-09-21 15:38:21
and what about the 60 second rule? Sheikh Ismail Sheikh Silan 2007-10-08 01:45:19
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