I'm looking for a software, wich handels a competition super mélé . Can someone give me a tip, where i can search for it?

In the rules I see lots of references to marking of both boule and cochonnet. Examples are:

...If the wind or slope of the terrain moves the stationary cochonnet, it is put back in its place providing its position had been marked.

...The same applies if the cochonnet is moved accidentally by the umpire, a player, a spectator, a boule or cochonnet from another game, an animal or any moving object.
To avoid any argument, the players should mark the Cochonnets position. No claim can be accepted regarding a boule or cochonnet whose position has not been marked.

...If a boule shot or hit, is stopped by a player, the opponent has a choice to:
(a) Leave it where it stopped, or
(b) Place it on the extension line from the original position where it (boule or cochonnet) was hit from to where it is found, but only within the boundary of the playing area and if its position was previously marked.

There are more, but I'm sure you get the idea. Anyway, my question is do the rules really mean that players literally mark the cochonnet and boules? Or is mark used to indicate marks in the terrain that are naturally made when the boule hits (i.e. an indentation)? I ask because I find it hard to believe that players go up to their boule after each shot and mark it somehow. And if they indeed do this, what do they use to mark them with?

Could someone please clarify the intention and meaning of all this marking?

Thanks,
Tom

Nobody need tell me the obvious! I fill in too many forms which are headed: Forename - Surname - Title (mr,Mrs or Miss). I would have thought that subject might be a better title for that box, but passons! Still, any help on the French team or on how to get to the FFPJP or FIPJP websites via Compuserve, or by any other server, would be welcome .....

When I watch videos of Foyot, Farre, and others pointing, sometimes they point while standing, other times while in the crouched position. Is this difference in position dictated by the type of terrain, their own preferences, or what? Once there was a match on very hard ground and all the players pointed from the crouching position. But sometimes, when the terrain has more gravel, some point while standing, others while crouching. And of course, there is the Tunisian team from 2000 in Portugal where some pointed standing, other crouching. why?

Have a look on our site at www.playaboule.com under Whats New and you will find software that supports Super Mele for Petanque.
Hope this helps.


Susi Tiralosi wrote:
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I'm looking for a software, wich handels a competition super mélé . Can someone give me a tip, where i can search for it?

Have a look on site denis.valantin.free.fr under Petanque and you will find free software.



Susi Tiralosi wrote:
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I'm looking for a software, wich handels a competition super mélé . Can someone give me a tip, where i can search for it?

Dear Tom,

Yes, in competitions players will mark the position of boules and the coche, if there's any risk of boules from another terrain moving anything.

It is quite tedious but can be important.

Something like a nail, key-ring, bit of wood, is useful for marking, ditto for the circle.

Hi Tom, the marking only refers to the terrain not to the cochonnet or the boule. This is the only way you have any chance of getting the the object on to its mark again.
In the instance you quote, If the wind blows a cochonnet from one position where you are holding a point, to an opponents boule making him hold the point, you can put the cochonnet back onto to the spot from where it was moved, providing you know where that spot is, having marked it. Most often we play without marking and therefore have to accept the move by the wind. It really is crucial to mark the cochonnet or boule if it is likely to be shifted by any means when in isn't meant to be.
Vernon Walker.

Thomas Scott wrote:
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In the rules I see lots of references to marking of both boule and cochonnet. Examples are:

...If the wind or slope of the terrain moves the stationary cochonnet, it is put back in its place providing its position had been marked.

...The same applies if the cochonnet is moved accidentally by the umpire, a player, a spectator, a boule or cochonnet from another game, an animal or any moving object.
To avoid any argument, the players should mark the Cochonnets position. No claim can be accepted regarding a boule or cochonnet whose position has not been marked.

...If a boule shot or hit, is stopped by a player, the opponent has a choice to:
(a) Leave it where it stopped, or
(b) Place it on the extension line from the original position where it (boule or cochonnet) was hit from to where it is found, but only within the boundary of the playing area and if its position was previously marked.

There are more, but I'm sure you get the idea. Anyway, my question is do the rules really mean that players literally mark the cochonnet and boules? Or is mark used to indicate marks in the terrain that are naturally made when the boule hits (i.e. an indentation)? I ask because I find it hard to believe that players go up to their boule after each shot and mark it somehow. And if they indeed do this, what do they use to mark them with?

Could someone please clarify the intention and meaning of all this marking?

Thanks,
Tom

Hi Tom, as the others have already told you it is VITAL to mark each and every boule plus the jack. The best way to mark them is by drawing a cross on the terrain making the position of the boule/jack the centre of the cross.


Thomas Scott wrote:
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In the rules I see lots of references to marking of both boule and cochonnet. Examples are:

...If the wind or slope of the terrain moves the stationary cochonnet, it is put back in its place providing its position had been marked.

...The same applies if the cochonnet is moved accidentally by the umpire, a player, a spectator, a boule or cochonnet from another game, an animal or any moving object.
To avoid any argument, the players should mark the Cochonnets position. No claim can be accepted regarding a boule or cochonnet whose position has not been marked.

...If a boule shot or hit, is stopped by a player, the opponent has a choice to:
(a) Leave it where it stopped, or
(b) Place it on the extension line from the original position where it (boule or cochonnet) was hit from to where it is found, but only within the boundary of the playing area and if its position was previously marked.

There are more, but I'm sure you get the idea. Anyway, my question is do the rules really mean that players literally mark the cochonnet and boules? Or is mark used to indicate marks in the terrain that are naturally made when the boule hits (i.e. an indentation)? I ask because I find it hard to believe that players go up to their boule after each shot and mark it somehow. And if they indeed do this, what do they use to mark them with?

Could someone please clarify the intention and meaning of all this marking?

Thanks,
Tom

You're quite right, it's a mixture of the terrain and personal preference - squatting isn't comfortable for everybody.

Generally, smoother dry terrains mean you can roll the boule more, often from a squatting position which gives you a better view of the terrain and lends itself more to rolling shots.

Sometimes it's better to lob: if the boule won't roll far, e.g. on a wet terrain or thicker gravel. Also, if the terrain is more uneven, an accurately placed lob *can* be more effective - as it rolls less it will be less affected by irregularities of the terrain.

However, you need to choose the landing spot carefully, making sure then are no stones which could deflect the boule *and* have the skill and accuracy to land on the chosen spot.

All a question of skill, practise and judgement.

Have fun!

There are som points you have to consider before you decide how you will point:

1) The terrain (soft or hard)
2) The length of the jack
3) Balls in play
4) Your individual style

If the terrain is soft, you will sometimes have an advantage if you get a little bit more height on your ball, so it will stop fast and your control will be good. If the terrain is hard, I think you can control the ball better if you throw it near to the terrain so it dont jump in wrong directions.

2) If the lenght of the cochonnet is long I think its better to point in a standing position, because your get a better view and more power.

3) If you have a lot of balls in front of the cochonnet, I think you will get an advantage if you point in a standing position so you get a better view over the terrain and more height.

4) Some players like to play from a standing position others do not!!



Joe Martin wrote:
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When I watch videos of Foyot, Farre, and others pointing, sometimes they point while standing, other times while in the crouched position. Is this difference in position dictated by the type of terrain, their own preferences, or what? Once there was a match on very hard ground and all the players pointed from the crouching position. But sometimes, when the terrain has more gravel, some point while standing, others while crouching. And of course, there is the Tunisian team from 2000 in Portugal where some pointed standing, other crouching. why?

Hi Susi !
Computers are nice but I don't trust them.
I do about 18 to 20 Competitions in a year and have many forms to use for all types of
Competions. In France they can do 105 teams
on one piece of paper. I also have computer progarms but they are very expenive. If you know someone who is good in Excel its easy to set something up with that program.
If you need help contact me. Let me know about how many teams participate in your games that I can pick the right information for you need. I will be writing something soon in this area so watch for it in Forum.
Bede Kortegast wrote:
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Have a look on our site at www.playaboule.com under Whats New and you will find software that supports Super Mele for Petanque.
Hope this helps.


Susi Tiralosi wrote:
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I'm looking for a software, wich handels a competition super mélé . Can someone give me a tip, where i can search for it?

Mike Pegg - International Umpire wrote:
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Hi Tom, as the others have already told you it is VITAL to mark each and every boule plus the jack. The best way to mark them is by drawing a cross on the terrain making the position of the boule/jack the centre of the cross.

You got that John?
LOL,
Guy

If we have to mark each and every boule and cochonnet, and re-mark them each time they're moved (by being shot) then 1 game will last for about 4 hours!

Won't that remove the fun from the game?

Jeff
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guy therrien wrote:
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Mike Pegg - International Umpire wrote:
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Hi Tom, as the others have already told you it is VITAL to mark each and every boule plus the jack. The best way to mark them is by drawing a cross on the terrain making the position of the boule/jack the centre of the cross.

You got that John?
LOL,
Guy

Most of the time we mark the boule ``only`` when there is a chance that a boule from the other piste might land on our piste.

guy

Jeffrey Widen wrote:
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If we have to mark each and every boule and cochonnet, and re-mark them each time they're moved (by being shot) then 1 game will last for about 4 hours!

Won't that remove the fun from the game?

Jeff

If you're just playing for fun, of course there's no need to mark everything - but you might want to agree on what you're going to do if a boule or the jack is accidentally moved...

Of course, playing in a competition is a different matter and you should mark positions if there's a risk of things moving.

Ahhh - OK thanks... I was worried that I may have to quit my job in order to play out a full 8-hour "marked" Petanque game!

Jeffrey

Ray Ager wrote:
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If you're just playing for fun, of course there's no need to mark everything - but you might want to agree on what you're going to do if a boule or the jack is accidentally moved...

Of course, playing in a competition is a different matter and you should mark positions if there's a risk of things moving.