Jack is thrown and judged legal (6M-10M).

First ball thrown - contacts jacks and pushes jack to 14M. Ball adjacent to jack.

Can this play be challenged by opponents because jack is now 14M from circle??

I believe jack and boule are "In play" because, when jack was thrown it was judged legal. (Article 7)

Thank you,

Ken

When the jack was marked, than the first ball is legal. When the jack wasn't marked before, the throw is not legal an the opponent has the right to decide that the jack isn't thrown legally and has to be thrown again.

When the jack was marked, than the first ball is legal. When the jack wasn't marked before, the throw is not legal an the opponent has the right to decide that the jack isn't thrown legally and has to be thrown again.

My interpretation of the rules would be if the jack was marked you could contest if the jack originally was at more than 10 meters.

Logically if the jack was not marked there is no way of telling were the jack was exactly so without some proof that the jack was not thrown legally why should the throw be disallowed?

Perhaps this situation would encourage people to follow the more sporting procedure to contest the distance that the jack is thrown before the first boule is thrown rather than seeing how good the first throw is before deciding if you will contest the throw of the jack.

Article 11

To avoid any argument, the players must mark the jack’s position. No claim can be accepted regarding boules or jack whose positions have not been marked

Seems to cover the situation

Jac

Thanks,

Ken

Don:

Thanks,

Ken

I agree that if a boule or jack is not marked - and is then subsequently moved, there can be no argument of a measurement because the initial position was not marked.

But as to measuring for a validly thrown cochonnet at the beginning of every end - that is a bit tedious and realistically, I cannot see it being done in a regular game.

And it makes the game more fun not knowing if the initial throw is within the 6-10 meters... If a cocohnnet is "right on the cusp" on 6 or 10 and a team throws a wonderfully close boule - it makes for an amusing curiousity for the opponents to make the measurement at that time to see if the team has to "take back their boule" ...