I am seeking input from fellow petanque players who have experience playing on or building courts in sandy soils. Our club in Fort Myers Florida plays in a city park which is being renovated, and they will be replacing our old sandy / shell courts. While our park was out of service, we tried playing in several other locations including a little league field, a sand volleyball court, and the grass outfield of the baseball park.... none of these surfaces suited the club members very well. I think we were all used to a smoother surface.

A staff person with the city suggested that we use clay - similar to clay tennis courts - and we are wondering what other materials have been employed in similar environments. We have LOTS of rain in the summer.

I have read through past forum postings regarding terrain, as well as the very nice website offered by A Lot of Boules.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Toni

Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy

under yr 'rules' page there are only FAQs
Where can I can a set of rules for the home player?

What's the difference between Boules and Petanque ?

What's the right terminology, Terrain or Piste?

Does anyone have plans for a petanque terraine??? I'm looking for info regarding surface materials, maintenance, and substrate for surface to keep out weeds, grasses, etc. Please email me directly at ronjohns@microsoft.com.

Thanks in advance!
Ron

Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the
same in Indonesia and it could help to
get the documentation already translated
in malay language)

I have built four terrains, one on tarmac, one in a barn, and two on an earth base. For the earth-based ones: start with the flat bare earth, add a little spread of unwashed sand and horticultural (3mm) grit. Roll it in - AND PLAY ON IT! After you have seen how it plays you can add differents sorts of stone/grit until you have the surface you like. The three rules are: only put a little on at one time (one bag in the car is better than a lorry with five tons - in fact a lorry-load is a disaster), remember that the weather will bed the surface in and form a working crust, and the best manure is the farmer's boot . You can't get a good terrain without fussing over it. Dumping a load of gravel and then forgetting about it is a recipe for dissatisfaction. I haven't mentioned drainage (as in the BPA Notes) but I find it no problem, even in Ireland. Have another drink and wait until the sun comes out. And finally, halogen lights from your local B&Q or equivalent are a steal!

Hi all, I'm a greenhorn in petanque but I do like it. Me and my pals want to create a team, and then a league (maybe:). In Poland we don't have any association so we don't know any league rules. If somebody is so kind and send me the international rules of league and tournament play I'd be happy. By the way: one could send me also proposals of fine pitch designs (layers, thickness, materials) designed for different conditions and emotions:). Thanks.
Bronek

Diameter

How do you choose the boules diameter? Is there a chart somewhere or a trick? Please help me, the season is starting already and i want my new boules.
Thanks in advance.

Diam�tre

Comment choisit-on le diam�tre (taille) Des boules? Est-ce qu'il y a un tableau de conversion ou peut-�tre un truc? S.V.P. aidez moi car la saison dŽbute et je veux mes nouvelles boules.
Merci d'avance.

Eddy Olivier

Hello, Dear Sirs!

We represent the first Petanque club in Russia and we are going to visit the championship in Grenoble! Please trite us the exact starting time!!!

We need to plan our trip ASAP, but still we can`t get the organizers.

Waiting for You Reply,
Petanque club Buddy President,
Eugenie Osokin.
Assistant, Tanya

I have constructed a piste, I used scalpings, 3 ton, with one ton of sand ,then compacted this with an impactor. For a topping I used Bideford grit, one ton. This gave me a depth of 20mm far too much as the boule does not run at all.

Any ideas how to rectify this big mistake without too much hastle? Any advice welcome.

Tony Wynn

Is the surface being totally removed, which presumably means you can build whatever you want, or are you having to make-do with the existing sand surface?

Remember, the traditional Provencal terrain is often baked-earth, similar to a clay tennis court. If you are using clay, remember that it does tend to hold water and so a well-drained sub-structure is probably important.

Crushed limestone is the most commonly recommended top surface. It's normally better to have a slightly irregular, undulating surface that a surface that is too smooth. I particularly like a Redgra surface, a brown coloured crushed limestone. Very similar to Provencal terrains, plays well and is a nice colour.

When I asked the UK umpire what the rule was about playing out of turn. One of his replies was that you should always call for a measure. Okay in the quoted example there is no dispute over who is to play, but I don't see why one can't call for a measure as it is important to know if you are already holding and I don't think I have ever read anything that states one is entitled to refuse to measure. Sounds like where you play players need better manners as well as better reading of rules.



guy therrien wrote:
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Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy

Nice question Guy, The Umpire would measure and then have a word with both teams about conduct and sportsmanship.

guy therrien wrote:
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Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy

Hi Guy,
I see you've stirred up a hornets nest, with your question.
Your question and reference to Art.26 don't really go together. Article 26 refers to a dispute in the middle of a game when measuring may be required not after the last boule of one team has been thrown. The team having thrown their last boule, have no further interest in measuring, they have nothing to gain at this time, they can always measure after the other team has played their final boule if they have any doubt.
Vernon

guy therrien wrote:
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Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy

guy therrien wrote:
------------------------------------

Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy


First of all your right, the team that last threw does the measuring, however, once the team that is supposed to do the measuring is asked to it has to.

So in answer to your question: you may not refuse

Check this site for the rules. http://www.britishpetanque.org/
Guy

Geoff Crumblin wrote:
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under yr 'rules' page there are only FAQs
Where can I can a set of rules for the home player?

Being pedantic, ‘Boules’ is really the name both for the boules that you play with and also the generic name for a family of boules game. Pétanque, played from 6 – 10m with both feet together in the circle is by far the most popular, to the extent that it has also become practically synonymous with ‘boules’.

The other main games are:
- Le Jeu Provençal, or La Longue: played with the same boules as pétanque but over a longer distance 15 – 21m. The main differences are that the pointer takes a step out of the circle and the shooter takes 3 running steps and shots.
- Boules Lyonnaise: played with larger boules and again over a longer distance. Although the principle is similar with pointers and shooters the rules are stricter. For example: when shooting you must nominate the target boule and land within 50cm for the shot to be valid.

Boule or Boules is not the name of the game, but the name of the metal balls used in the game. Petanque is the name of the game played with boule. I suppose because the two are so closely associated we make the mistake of calling Petanque (the game) by the name of the balls (Boule or Boules) used in the game. English laziness I suppose.

FAQ User wrote:
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What's the difference between Boules and Petanque ?

Terrain is the whole area that’s available to play on and Piste is a usually marked out area for a single game, i.e. a Terrain will often be divided into several Pistes for competitions.

Playing on Open Terrain means that several games take place simultaneously on the same terrain but without marking separate pistes.

Terrains in France are sometimes called Boulodromes. These tend to be larger, specially built and designated areas.

Tennis is played on a Court - not petanque!

Ron Johnson wrote:
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Does anyone have plans for a petanque terraine??? I'm looking for info regarding surface materials, maintenance, and substrate for surface to keep out weeds, grasses, etc. Please email me directly at ronjohns@microsoft.com.

Thanks in advance!
Ron
Hello Ron,
I play for a local club in North East Kent(Herne Bay)
I am also looking for information and advice on the best materials and substrates for pistes.
We also suffer with weeds and a our pistes are too soft.
I would be interested if you find any useful information.
Regards, John Howard

Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?

You will find the address of the PETANQUE FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA at:

www.boulepetanque.se/int/fipjp/fipjpadr.htm

Good luck!

I would suggest you to take contact with Mr. Jean Amiot in Sweden. He is member of the international federattion FIPJP and speaks English and French as well. I am sur he will help you further! This is his e-mail adress: jean.amiot@lm.se.

Good luck and hope you to meet you or your country in a couple of years at the world championship!

Jac

I have the following question.....
I am building a hotel for a French Owner here in the UK.
Our company would like to build a Jeux de Boule area in the gardens.
I need toknow how to do this, such as dimentions, surface materials. markings, etc.
Can you help please


FAQ User wrote:
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What's the right terminology, Terrain or Piste?

Tomasz Bronowicki wrote:
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Hi all, I'm a greenhorn in petanque but I do like it. Me and my pals want to create a team, and then a league (maybe:). In Poland we don't have any association so we don't know any league rules. If somebody is so kind and send me the international rules of league and tournament play I'd be happy. By the way: one could send me also proposals of fine pitch designs (layers, thickness, materials) designed for different conditions and emotions:). Thanks.
Bronek

Panie Bronowicki, tez jestem z Polski. Federacja Polska wlasnie powstaje i jestesmy bardzo zainteresowani wszystkimi zespolami, ktore chcialyby grac w lidze.
Prosze o kontakt.

Maciej matyah' Ziolkowski

Hi Ron, did you have any luck with the surface materials from this forum? If so, can you email me, thanks. Denise

Ron Johnson wrote:
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Does anyone have plans for a petanque terraine??? I'm looking for info regarding surface materials, maintenance, and substrate for surface to keep out weeds, grasses, etc. Please email me directly at ronjohns@microsoft.com.

Thanks in advance!
Ron

The world championship will be held oct 02 to Oct 06 2002.

See the following site for complete info.

HTH,
guy

http://www.palais-des-sports.com/petanque-mondial-2002/flashsite.php?taille=800

Eugenie Osokin wrote:
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Hello, Dear Sirs!

We represent the first Petanque club in Russia and we are going to visit the championship in Grenoble! Please trite us the exact starting time!!!

We need to plan our trip ASAP, but still we can`t get the organizers.

Waiting for You Reply,
Petanque club Buddy President,
Eugenie Osokin.
Assistant, Tanya

Firstly I would like to correct the spelling of my country: MALAYSIA
Yes, we do have a Federation of Petanque in Malaysia and 15 other State's Petanque Associations.
For your information we host the first petanque game in SEA Game meet, 2001 in Kuala Lumpur and the forth Asia Petanque Cup in Kota Bahru, Kelantan last October.
I am the honorary secretary of Johore Petanque Association and an orgarnizer committee of Malaysia Petanque Fedaration.
We are ever ready to give any assitance needed.

Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the
same in Indonesia and it could help to
get the documentation already translated
in malay language)

Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the
same in Indonesia and it could help to
get the documentation already translated
in malay language)

Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
------------------------------------



Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the
same in Indonesia and it could help to
get the documentation already translated
in malay language)


i'm new in this game. we have 15 active players presently. has not formed a club yet, perhaps anytime when we are ready. just call us ínvaders' for the time being. hope to develop the game for social

We've only seen this played in France in a park. We'd like to have our own court but can't find out what size it's supposed to be and if it's supposed to have sand or what. Am I on the wrong page?

FAQ User wrote:
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What's the right terminology, Terrain or Piste?

In the following link you can find some recommendations for boule diameters (Durchmesser) and weights (Gewicht), depending on the shape of your hand (Handgrösse). There are different tables for Pointers (Leger) and Shooter (Schiesser).

http://www.boule-shop.de/kugeldurchmesser.htm

voici t'as reponse How to choose your bowls Date: Sunday 26 February, 2006

News Summary:

How to choose the size and the weight that will suits you ? For petanque boules or lyonnaise boules.

News Content:


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Game of bowls


Which type of player be you ?

There are three great families of balls according to the post occupied by the players :


The Pointer

The pointer plays rather with balls of small diameter (71 to 74 mm) to offer less surface to the gunner, enough doors for a better control (700 to 740 gr.), hard for a better longevity and striated to facilitate its stop on difficult ground.


Medium

The medium plays rather with general-purpose balls of a diameter (72 to 76 mm) and of an average weight 680 to 720 gr.), semi-tender and little striated. It is the best choice also when one often plays two and that one thus occupies only the post of pointer and gunner.


The Gunner

The shooter rather plays with balls of large diameter (74 to 78 mm), light in order to limit tiredness (670 to 710 gr.), try to limit the rebound and to support the squares… and smooth to avoid “hanging the ball” in the hand at the time of the shooting.

How to choose the diameter which is appropriate to you ?

For that, you provide with one meter or a rule and measure the distance between the end of your thumb and that with your major open hand. Think of measuring the hand which will hold your balls. It any more but does not remain you to defer you to the table to below have an idea of the size of the balls best adapted to your morphology.

16 cm 17 cm 18 cm 19 cm 20 cm 21 cm 22 cm 23 cm 24 cm 25 cm
71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80


Notes : Think of well measuring the hand which will hold your future balls. Moreover, according to the station that you wish to occupy or your own preferences of catches in hands, these advised sizes can vary more or less unit…

Which metal to choose ?


Stainless: : hard, tender or 1/2 to tend, it is undoubtedly the metal which requires less maintenance. Do not rust, excellent behaviour in hand


Steel : hard, tender or 1/2 to tighten, not leave not your balls to moisture. To avoid the nuisance of the points of rust, you can slip them into a rag very slightly oiled. Very good behaviour in hand, recommended for moist skins.


Bronze : special alloy, it is a very tender, “hot” metal with the hand. Recommended on very hard ground (bituminous mix/gore rammed). Important: the more tender one ball is, the more the risks of marking on the surface are important. In the same way, the nature of certain grounds can érafler surfaces the tender or very tender balls of them.

Which hardness to choose ?

Les The hard balls are especially used by the pointers. They have a great longevity and agree with all the types of ground.
The gunners prefer thetender balls because they rebound less at the time of the impact, which is particularly appreciable on hard ground and for the “squares”.

Why personalize its balls?

To engrave its name or its initial on its balls can, at first sight, come out useless. But makes some, this personalization can prove often very useful to find its balls more quickly when several players have the same ones. Moreover, another considerable advantage is that it limits the interest of your balls for badly disposed people.

These councils are inspired by the sitePetanque710.


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Lyonnaise

First of all define your role in the play: Pointer of head, Gunner of head or General-purpose .

Pointer
You must preferably use “hollow” balls, as effective in plays covered as on more irregular external grounds. You can also “work” your balls with wish.
Choose a ball of not very large diameter (90 to 95) and of poid known as “heavy”: on average, 30 to 40 grams with the top of the minimum manufactured by diameter. Choose balls rather charged in scratches.
Gunner
It is imperative to draw with “scraping” balls of which the interior load by displacement of the centre of gravity at the time of the impact on the ground, suprime the rebound. That represents a large advantage. But notice: it will be necessary imperatively, and despite everything, “right being” and “in the “fifty”. For the choice of your diameter, use the test suggested below. The weight is recommended light: minimum manufactured by diameter or 10 grams with the top. Indenting will be not very charged.


Which diameter to choose?




You are pointer
The ball being taken in the two the joined hands, palms, the two major ones must meet and never overlap.


You are gunner
The ball being taken in the two the joined hands, palms, the two major ones either jointed, or are spaced of a variation not exceeding 1 cm.

Off course opponents always have the right to measure – Article 26.

I would just add, whenever playing a ‘friendly’ game, I would always tell the opponents which boule was on. In a more serious competition, unless asked, I probably wouldn’t. I would just keep quiet and wouldn’t ‘volunteer’ any information that might help them. If they don’t bother checking positions of boules in the head, it’s to my advantage.

So ... what exactly is the problem here? Team A has played a boule. Team B asks team A to measure and they refuse. To me, the answer is simple - measure it yourself! Why argue for such a petty reason?


Keith Sloan wrote:
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When I asked the UK umpire what the rule was about playing out of turn. One of his replies was that you should always call for a measure. Okay in the quoted example there is no dispute over who is to play, but I don't see why one can't call for a measure as it is important to know if you are already holding and I don't think I have ever read anything that states one is entitled to refuse to measure. Sounds like where you play players need better manners as well as better reading of rules.



guy therrien wrote:
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Team A. has just played its last boule. Team B. has boules left to play and asks Team A. to measure to find out who has the point, according to art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Where I play, players refuse to measure as they don't care who has the point at that time (can't blame them either.)How would the umpire judge the situation if called by the side who has boules to play and wants the other side to measure?

Just curious!
Guy

Vernon Walker wrote:
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Your question and reference to Art.26 don't really go together. Article 26 refers to a dispute in the middle of a game when measuring may be required not after the last boule of one team has been thrown.

Vernon,
You seems to have difficulties reading/interpreting English!

There is no mention of «middle of the game» in art.26; but there is a mention about «at whatever stage the end may be»

26 The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates. The opponents still have the right to re-measure the point. Whatever positions the boules may hold, and at whatever stage the end may be, the umpire may be called to adjudicate and his or her decision is final.

In France, a terrain is also a piste. See Article 18, en français.
Guy

Ray Ager wrote:
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Terrain is the whole area that’s available to play on and Piste is a usually marked out area for a single game, i.e. a Terrain will often be divided into several Pistes for competitions.

Playing on Open Terrain means that several games take place simultaneously on the same terrain but without marking separate pistes.

Terrains in France are sometimes called Boulodromes. These tend to be larger, specially built and designated areas.

Tennis is played on a Court - not petanque!

Many thanks to Mr.Jac Verheul for his help;
indeed I have now all details for contacting
the malaysian petanque Federation and obtain
the required documentation
best regards,
Roland

Jac Verheul wrote:
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Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?

You will find the address of the PETANQUE FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA at:

www.boulepetanque.se/int/fipjp/fipjpadr.htm

Good luck!

Hi all
this is an urgent request!
My gardener is starting right now to build my petanque terraine! I'm having some discussions with him concerning the ideal surface material. can anybody help me urgently, please?

Many thanks in advance!!

please e-mail directly at chris.van.elslander@bt.be

John Howard wrote:
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Ron Johnson wrote:
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Does anyone have plans for a petanque terraine??? I'm looking for info regarding surface materials, maintenance, and substrate for surface to keep out weeds, grasses, etc. Please email me directly at ronjohns@microsoft.com.

Thanks in advance!
Ron
Hello Ron,
I play for a local club in North East Kent(Herne Bay)
I am also looking for information and advice on the best materials and substrates for pistes.
We also suffer with weeds and a our pistes are too soft.
I would be interested if you find any useful information.
Regards, John Howard

Dear Jan

I too am interested in building a Terrain & starting a local club. I would be very greatfull if you could forward any advice you received about best materials to use in making a terrain/piste

Many Thanks

Jan van Engelen wrote:
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I have the following question.....
I am building a hotel for a French Owner here in the UK.
Our company would like to build a Jeux de Boule area in the gardens.
I need toknow how to do this, such as dimentions, surface materials. markings, etc.
Can you help please


FAQ User wrote:
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What's the right terminology, Terrain or Piste?

Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the
same in Indonesia and it could help to
get the documentation already translated
in malay language)
Mr.Roland

Here you can find all adresses of the national petanque federattions, includes that of Malaisia:

http://www.boulepetanque.se/int/fipjp/fipjpadr.htm.

Jac
Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland

Agreed. In competitive play, I have never had an opponent offer any information regarding boule position. I wouldn't expect it either.

Pete Beaumont wrote:
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So ... what exactly is the problem here? Team A has played a boule. Team B asks team A to measure and they refuse. To me, the answer is simple - measure it yourself! Why argue for such a petty reason?

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And how many other rules do you change, modify, ignore or invent?
art 26 which states that:
The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates.

Guy

Hi Guy,
I will concede that art.26 does'nt talk of 'the middle of a game' as I suggested, but how else are we to look at this situation?
The last boule of a team has been thrown. Whatever we think the rules seem to suggest in art.26, we know that no team having thrown the last boule will be willing to measure after this. They will do nothing to jeopardise or endanger their position, nor will they want to assist the opposition in any way. Therefore it must be left with the opposing team to either measure for themselves or get the umpire. I cannot read and understand this rule in any other way, (English or otherwise), under the circumstances you suggest.
Vernon

guy therrien wrote:
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Vernon Walker wrote:
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Your question and reference to Art.26 don't really go together. Article 26 refers to a dispute in the middle of a game when measuring may be required not after the last boule of one team has been thrown.

Vernon,
You seems to have difficulties reading/interpreting English!

There is no mention of «middle of the game» in art.26; but there is a mention about «at whatever stage the end may be»

26 The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates. The opponents still have the right to re-measure the point. Whatever positions the boules may hold, and at whatever stage the end may be, the umpire may be called to adjudicate and his or her decision is final.

On the other hand, some years ago I was délégué for the Irish team at the World Championships, where they have marked pistes making up an indoor terrain . Everyone knows, of course, that the lingua franca of the FIPJP is French. Presenting myself at the table for the first game, I asked Quelle piste? , or perhaps Quel piste? and they laughed themselves stupid. Not piste, they said, but terrain: and it is certainly true that at every World Chapionships the pistes are referred to as terrains.

guy therrien wrote:
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In France, a terrain is also a piste. See Article 18, en français.
Guy

Ray Ager wrote:
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Terrain is the whole area that’s available to play on and Piste is a usually marked out area for a single game, i.e. a Terrain will often be divided into several Pistes for competitions.

Playing on Open Terrain means that several games take place simultaneously on the same terrain but without marking separate pistes.

Terrains in France are sometimes called Boulodromes. These tend to be larger, specially built and designated areas.

Tennis is played on a Court - not petanque!

chris Van Elslander wrote:
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Hi all
this is an urgent request!
My gardener is starting right now to build my petanque terraine! I'm having some discussions with him concerning the ideal surface material. can anybody help me urgently, please?

Many thanks in advance!!

please e-mail directly at chris.van.elslander@bt.be

John Howard wrote:
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Hello,
By the way: if You get some plans, be nice and send them also to me, please. I think, that the crushed mineral sand compacted with a roller would be fine for a upper layer :)
Regards
Bronek


Ron Johnson wrote:
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Does anyone have plans for a petanque terraine??? I'm looking for info regarding surface materials, maintenance, and substrate for surface to keep out weeds, grasses, etc. Please email me directly at ronjohns@microsoft.com.

Thanks in advance!
Ron
Hello Ron,
I play for a local club in North East Kent(Herne Bay)
I am also looking for information and advice on the best materials and substrates for pistes.
We also suffer with weeds and a our pistes are too soft.
I would be interested if you find any useful information.
Regards, John Howard

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See also the website of the FIPJP: http://www.boulepetanque.se/int/fipjp/fipjpadr.htm



Razali Wan Zain wrote:
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Roland SIOUFFI wrote:
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Is there any petanque players in Malaisia?
May I have a name or Club or Federation
contact address ?
Many thanks,
Roland
(I need it because I want to create the same in Indonesia and it could help to get the documentation already translated in malay language)
Mr.Roland

I would just add, as a general observation, players in France (who have a little more experience of the game) generally seem to have a much more ‘common sense’ approach to the rules and playing the game.

Providing you’re not blatantly cheating, nobody seems bothered about minor infringements of the rules that make no difference to play, eg. A foot crossing the line, minor gardening, etc.

In contrast, in the UK, players often seem to be sticklers for the rules and freak-out about the slightest infringement, such as a foot crossing the line or moving a stone on the terrain. I’m sure if they ever went to France and behaved like that they’d be ridiculed.

Regarding measuring, I’m sure in France anybody would measure whenever they felt it necessary and not worry in the slightest about interpreting what the rules do or do not say.

ENJOY THE GAME!

So where does it say one can refuse ? !!!!

Surely the way to read it is to not read the word refuse which is NOT there.



Vernon Walker wrote:
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Hi Guy,
I will concede that art.26 does'nt talk of 'the middle of a game' as I suggested, but how else are we to look at this situation?
The last boule of a team has been thrown. Whatever we think the rules seem to suggest in art.26, we know that no team having thrown the last boule will be willing to measure after this. They will do nothing to jeopardise or endanger their position, nor will they want to assist the opposition in any way. Therefore it must be left with the opposing team to either measure for themselves or get the umpire. I cannot read and understand this rule in any other way, (English or otherwise), under the circumstances you suggest.
Vernon

guy therrien wrote:
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Vernon Walker wrote:
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Your question and reference to Art.26 don't really go together. Article 26 refers to a dispute in the middle of a game when measuring may be required not after the last boule of one team has been thrown.

Vernon,
You seems to have difficulties reading/interpreting English!

There is no mention of «middle of the game» in art.26; but there is a mention about «at whatever stage the end may be»

26 The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates. The opponents still have the right to re-measure the point. Whatever positions the boules may hold, and at whatever stage the end may be, the umpire may be called to adjudicate and his or her decision is final.

Hi Keith,
I don't think it's a question of refusing to measure, they just wouldn't even consider it, they would rightly say we are out of boule it doesn't concern us until the last boule has been thrown, then we'll take an interest. Remember this is match play, on a club evening they wouldn't be so emphatic.
Vernon

Keith Sloan wrote:
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So where does it say one can refuse ? !!!!

Surely the way to read it is to not read the word refuse which is NOT there.



Vernon Walker wrote:
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Hi Guy,
I will concede that art.26 does'nt talk of 'the middle of a game' as I suggested, but how else are we to look at this situation?
The last boule of a team has been thrown. Whatever we think the rules seem to suggest in art.26, we know that no team having thrown the last boule will be willing to measure after this. They will do nothing to jeopardise or endanger their position, nor will they want to assist the opposition in any way. Therefore it must be left with the opposing team to either measure for themselves or get the umpire. I cannot read and understand this rule in any other way, (English or otherwise), under the circumstances you suggest.
Vernon

guy therrien wrote:
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Vernon Walker wrote:
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Your question and reference to Art.26 don't really go together. Article 26 refers to a dispute in the middle of a game when measuring may be required not after the last boule of one team has been thrown.

Vernon,
You seems to have difficulties reading/interpreting English!

There is no mention of «middle of the game» in art.26; but there is a mention about «at whatever stage the end may be»

26 The measuring of a point is done by the player who played the last boule or by one of his or her team-mates. The opponents still have the right to re-measure the point. Whatever positions the boules may hold, and at whatever stage the end may be, the umpire may be called to adjudicate and his or her decision is final.